Long over due (*sigh*)...too busy.
Enter Mr. Jun Paras rants against me. I have already posted some reply to this, but it seems somethings very "wrong" with the site...my replies were not published. (*sigh*) Good thing I have my own blog to answer Mr. Paras' ravings.
So without further adieu...
@pinoy the atheist,
You said religious faith is neither logical nor good. Wow! what a misleading belief. Do you know totally the meaning of religion? Or all you know about it is Jesus walking on water? Are your mind is set to supernatural miracle when it comes to religion? Thats why I’m asking you, Does your belief undergone deep and logical cross-examination or you just believe it as you feel? You must study your belief, pinoy the atheist, so that you will discover from yourselves that your “faith” comes from a “fool”-ish mind. You can ask some questions to bro.eli if you want, he’s always open to all people asking questions and having doubts.
Fair judgement comes from deep learning of one’s belief, if you quickly judge according to what you see or what you feel, then your totally wrong!! For example, fever, most people has a negative thoughts about fever because it’ll bring man into uncomfortable condition, but when they study it, they found out that our body must have a temperature that is totally high in order to cast out the virus that enters our body, because virus dies in high temp. See what is the benefit of fever? So we can say that most people have an incorrent view regarding fever, until they study. That’s what we want from you guys, study first before you judge. Because a man who doesn’t want to be fooled, is never been fooled by his thorough study, so he will come up with a firm principle and living a hopeful life. So before you say that RELIGIOUS FAITH IS NEITHER LOGICAL NOR GOOD, investigate first. I may say that its obvious you have not learned religion based on your WEAK STATEMENT.
One thing, I’m not trying to compare man-made from supernatural, I’m just laying down a logical way of thinking, that, if you could say that a statue is being made, how about us which is far glorious than it? We don’t just pop out from nothing beside the fact that we have A VERY COMPLICATED FACULTIES. I’m not quickly trying to imply that there is God. But first, I want you to believe, that we are created.
Lastly, nature is chaotic??? As Genedie have said, its a lot of nonsense. Remember that you have lived because of these “chaotic??” nature as you’ve said.
Reply
So Jun Paras thinks my statement was misleading. In what grounds? I dunno. Maybe he just can't follow my arguments or maybe he's in a state of shock...a lot of "maybe"- a lot of questions, a lot of assumptions. Anyway, I will say it again...religious faith is neither logical nor good. First we must examine what religious faith is.
Religious faith is a non-rational belief in some proposition. A non-rational belief is one that is contrary to the sum of the evidence for that belief. A belief is contrary to the sum of the evidence if ...Oh so you want it as describe by a believer eh?
OK
Christians will define faith as a belief with strong conviction; firm belief in something for which there may be no tangible proof; complete trust; opposite of doubt.
The Catholic Encyclopedia define faith as objectively, it stands for the sum of truths revealed by God in Scripture and tradition and which the Church.
Boy! There are lots of rationalizations when it comes to defining religious faith and the worst part is Jun Paras seems to imply that I should have faith in Bro. Eli Soriano's teachings. My papaya naman! Obviously, for Jun Paras, faith was already been defined by Mr. Soriano's favorite book...TADDDDAAA! I'm talking about the Bible.
Hebrews 11:1 says, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." So, therefore faith (religious faith) is to believe on something which has not yet come to pass or for which one has no evidence constitutes evidence for its actuality.
Is it logical?
Religious faith is a claim on something that cannot be rationally demonstrated and is believe as an alternative method of acquiring "knowledge". Since its claims are not verifiable, it cannot be explained by experience or logic. Logic Mr Paras, is concerned with the principles of valid reasoning and correct inference. Logically valid conclusions are drawn from the evidence presented. It seems Jun Paras have excluded evidence as part of a valid reason.
Is it bad?
Well according to William K. Clifford it is. In his book The Ethics of Belief (1877) he wrote, "it is wrong a;ways, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything on insufficient evidence."
So what will be the price of believing on something "that ain't so"? It corrupts our character, undermines public confidence, it leads to irresponsible actions and foster self-deception.
A Chaotic Universe.
Have you seen the ancient Japanese game called "Go" @ Jun Paras...Oh and I'm not talking about the anime shown once in GMA 7.
Go is a simple game with a complex strategy. Games can be played on a 9 by 9, 13 by 13, or 19 by 19 line board. Go pieces, which are black and white "stones", are placed on the intersections of lines, instead of on the spaces between them that chess and checkers use. The game focuses on these points, which number 361 on a 19 by 19 board, and the player who has surrounded the most points by the end wins. Players may also capture their opponent's pieces by surrounding them with pieces of a player's own color.
As Sol Robeson in the show Pi compared it, “The Ancient Japanese considered the Go board to be a microcosm of the Universe. Although when it is empty it appears to be simple and ordered, the possibilities of gameplay are endless. So the Go board actually represents an extremely complex and chaotic universe. And that is the truth of our world.“
Max Cohen, the number theorist in the said show, assumed that a pattern is produce when the game progress. Well that's my point, everything begins in chaos and order only appear as time progress. That's quite different from assuming a so-called "Designer".
Is Jun Paras comparing living matter with a statue? That's why chaos is more of a probability than a "Designer" @ Jun Paras. You see, patterns emerge in chaos. Chaos theory is the study of nonlinear dynamics, where seemingly random events are actually predictable from simple deterministic equations. You don't create a statue in random, but the Theory of Evolution fits the bill. Nature is highly complex, and the only prediction you can make is that she is unpredictable. Nature is marvelous and mysterious and Chaos Theory has managed to somewhat capture the beauty of the unpredictable and display it in the most awesome patterns.
The Fever Analogy
It was quite funny for Jun Paras to used his eh..."fever analogy" on the issue of his belief system. In the first place a fever is not a belief...what is a fever then? According to the website Medical News Today, a fever, or pyrexia, is a rise in internal body temperature to levels that are considered to be above normal. Average body temperature is about 98.6°F or 37°C, and temperatures above 100.4°F or 38°C are generally considered to be febrile.
Fever is an important indicator that there is something wrong with the body, and it is often used in order to gauge the success of medical treatments. Fevers may also be useful because they increase the amount of antiviral and anticancer interferon in the blood, making it difficult for bacteria and viruses to replicate. But...A fever may be a cause of concern and patients with fever should be sure to remain hydrated. Since fever often causes discomfort and increases heart rate and metabolism, many people take antipyretics such as ibuprofen or acetaminophen (paracetamol). Aspirin is used as a treatment for adults but not in children due to the risk of Reye's syndrome. In cases where fever escalates so high that tissue damage is likely, the fever must be brought under control.
That takes care of the issue of what a fever is...now...
So what does it have to do with Jun Paras' belief-system? Well according to him, we (the atheists) should study his stand first before we criticize him or his belief-system...eh...but why do you think we are criticizing him in the first place? That's because we already studied his belief-system.
Wow...haven't he taught about that?
Criticism means disapproval expressed by pointing out faults or shortcomings. Also, remember that a fever has an advantage...it warns the body against microbes or viruses. Now, what's the advantage of Eliseo Soriano's Bible Exposition to a non-believer? NADA.
So I think the fever issue of Mr. Paras won't work...his analogy fell short and...Uppppssss...Oh I forgot...according to him he just want me "to believe" that we were created, he just want me to believe Mr. Soriano's rants... In short...He just want me to "have faith".
Enter Mr. Jun Paras rants against me. I have already posted some reply to this, but it seems somethings very "wrong" with the site...my replies were not published. (*sigh*) Good thing I have my own blog to answer Mr. Paras' ravings.
So without further adieu...
@pinoy the atheist,
You said religious faith is neither logical nor good. Wow! what a misleading belief. Do you know totally the meaning of religion? Or all you know about it is Jesus walking on water? Are your mind is set to supernatural miracle when it comes to religion? Thats why I’m asking you, Does your belief undergone deep and logical cross-examination or you just believe it as you feel? You must study your belief, pinoy the atheist, so that you will discover from yourselves that your “faith” comes from a “fool”-ish mind. You can ask some questions to bro.eli if you want, he’s always open to all people asking questions and having doubts.
Fair judgement comes from deep learning of one’s belief, if you quickly judge according to what you see or what you feel, then your totally wrong!! For example, fever, most people has a negative thoughts about fever because it’ll bring man into uncomfortable condition, but when they study it, they found out that our body must have a temperature that is totally high in order to cast out the virus that enters our body, because virus dies in high temp. See what is the benefit of fever? So we can say that most people have an incorrent view regarding fever, until they study. That’s what we want from you guys, study first before you judge. Because a man who doesn’t want to be fooled, is never been fooled by his thorough study, so he will come up with a firm principle and living a hopeful life. So before you say that RELIGIOUS FAITH IS NEITHER LOGICAL NOR GOOD, investigate first. I may say that its obvious you have not learned religion based on your WEAK STATEMENT.
One thing, I’m not trying to compare man-made from supernatural, I’m just laying down a logical way of thinking, that, if you could say that a statue is being made, how about us which is far glorious than it? We don’t just pop out from nothing beside the fact that we have A VERY COMPLICATED FACULTIES. I’m not quickly trying to imply that there is God. But first, I want you to believe, that we are created.
Lastly, nature is chaotic??? As Genedie have said, its a lot of nonsense. Remember that you have lived because of these “chaotic??” nature as you’ve said.
Reply
So Jun Paras thinks my statement was misleading. In what grounds? I dunno. Maybe he just can't follow my arguments or maybe he's in a state of shock...a lot of "maybe"- a lot of questions, a lot of assumptions. Anyway, I will say it again...religious faith is neither logical nor good. First we must examine what religious faith is.
Religious faith is a non-rational belief in some proposition. A non-rational belief is one that is contrary to the sum of the evidence for that belief. A belief is contrary to the sum of the evidence if ...Oh so you want it as describe by a believer eh?
OK
Christians will define faith as a belief with strong conviction; firm belief in something for which there may be no tangible proof; complete trust; opposite of doubt.
The Catholic Encyclopedia define faith as objectively, it stands for the sum of truths revealed by God in Scripture and tradition and which the Church.
Boy! There are lots of rationalizations when it comes to defining religious faith and the worst part is Jun Paras seems to imply that I should have faith in Bro. Eli Soriano's teachings. My papaya naman! Obviously, for Jun Paras, faith was already been defined by Mr. Soriano's favorite book...TADDDDAAA! I'm talking about the Bible.
Hebrews 11:1 says, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." So, therefore faith (religious faith) is to believe on something which has not yet come to pass or for which one has no evidence constitutes evidence for its actuality.
Is it logical?
Religious faith is a claim on something that cannot be rationally demonstrated and is believe as an alternative method of acquiring "knowledge". Since its claims are not verifiable, it cannot be explained by experience or logic. Logic Mr Paras, is concerned with the principles of valid reasoning and correct inference. Logically valid conclusions are drawn from the evidence presented. It seems Jun Paras have excluded evidence as part of a valid reason.
Is it bad?
Well according to William K. Clifford it is. In his book The Ethics of Belief (1877) he wrote, "it is wrong a;ways, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything on insufficient evidence."
So what will be the price of believing on something "that ain't so"? It corrupts our character, undermines public confidence, it leads to irresponsible actions and foster self-deception.
A Chaotic Universe.
Have you seen the ancient Japanese game called "Go" @ Jun Paras...Oh and I'm not talking about the anime shown once in GMA 7.Go is a simple game with a complex strategy. Games can be played on a 9 by 9, 13 by 13, or 19 by 19 line board. Go pieces, which are black and white "stones", are placed on the intersections of lines, instead of on the spaces between them that chess and checkers use. The game focuses on these points, which number 361 on a 19 by 19 board, and the player who has surrounded the most points by the end wins. Players may also capture their opponent's pieces by surrounding them with pieces of a player's own color.
As Sol Robeson in the show Pi compared it, “The Ancient Japanese considered the Go board to be a microcosm of the Universe. Although when it is empty it appears to be simple and ordered, the possibilities of gameplay are endless. So the Go board actually represents an extremely complex and chaotic universe. And that is the truth of our world.“
Max Cohen, the number theorist in the said show, assumed that a pattern is produce when the game progress. Well that's my point, everything begins in chaos and order only appear as time progress. That's quite different from assuming a so-called "Designer".
Is Jun Paras comparing living matter with a statue? That's why chaos is more of a probability than a "Designer" @ Jun Paras. You see, patterns emerge in chaos. Chaos theory is the study of nonlinear dynamics, where seemingly random events are actually predictable from simple deterministic equations. You don't create a statue in random, but the Theory of Evolution fits the bill. Nature is highly complex, and the only prediction you can make is that she is unpredictable. Nature is marvelous and mysterious and Chaos Theory has managed to somewhat capture the beauty of the unpredictable and display it in the most awesome patterns.
The Fever Analogy
It was quite funny for Jun Paras to used his eh..."fever analogy" on the issue of his belief system. In the first place a fever is not a belief...what is a fever then? According to the website Medical News Today, a fever, or pyrexia, is a rise in internal body temperature to levels that are considered to be above normal. Average body temperature is about 98.6°F or 37°C, and temperatures above 100.4°F or 38°C are generally considered to be febrile.
Fever is an important indicator that there is something wrong with the body, and it is often used in order to gauge the success of medical treatments. Fevers may also be useful because they increase the amount of antiviral and anticancer interferon in the blood, making it difficult for bacteria and viruses to replicate. But...A fever may be a cause of concern and patients with fever should be sure to remain hydrated. Since fever often causes discomfort and increases heart rate and metabolism, many people take antipyretics such as ibuprofen or acetaminophen (paracetamol). Aspirin is used as a treatment for adults but not in children due to the risk of Reye's syndrome. In cases where fever escalates so high that tissue damage is likely, the fever must be brought under control.
That takes care of the issue of what a fever is...now...
So what does it have to do with Jun Paras' belief-system? Well according to him, we (the atheists) should study his stand first before we criticize him or his belief-system...eh...but why do you think we are criticizing him in the first place? That's because we already studied his belief-system.
Wow...haven't he taught about that?
Criticism means disapproval expressed by pointing out faults or shortcomings. Also, remember that a fever has an advantage...it warns the body against microbes or viruses. Now, what's the advantage of Eliseo Soriano's Bible Exposition to a non-believer? NADA.
So I think the fever issue of Mr. Paras won't work...his analogy fell short and...Uppppssss...Oh I forgot...according to him he just want me "to believe" that we were created, he just want me to believe Mr. Soriano's rants... In short...He just want me to "have faith".
