If I post my answers to these following messages from that ADD article, chances are it will be deleted or worst. But thank Darwin for the Internet.
So the best thing to do is to place it and answer them in my blog.
The first letter came from a certain Jun Paras:
@pinoy atheist,
I don’t expect you to have faith as evidence, because like I said, you have no faith (a logical and good faith). But I never said that faith is an evidence, faith is A PART of an evidence that God really exists. What kind of faith? A scientific and logical faith. You have also your faith, but your faith of not believing in God is only a result of your somewhat rebellious comments and questions like “If there is God, why is there evil in this world”, “Bible is not an evidence, it contradicts each other, and full of factual errors”, “I don’t believe in God, because I never see Him”, “Why do other religions kill while they’re confessing that they are of God?”… These questions and comments drives you to conclude that there is no God. But, did your belief regarding God and the bible undergone deep and logical cross-examination? Do you really study the bible? Do you really study God’s will? Or you just conclude it in that way as you feel? For you to say that a thing is lacking something, you must know what is complete, right? So what’s your basis? You don’t believe in life after death, but you have no belief what will happen after death, right? You dont believe in God, but you have no explanation on how we are created, right? (If you belive that we are created)Your faith is very illogical and brings no hope to people. Our difference, I think, is that we, as a Christian, don’t just judge according to what we like to feel, but we study His will. We are not stupid to conclude that there is no God because we can’t see Him. That’s stupidity. Because if I will follow that stupid principle (to see is to believe), then I will not belive that I have a mind, that love exist, or I am born by my mother, etc.. because these things are not visible by our human eye, stupidity huh? But we believe in these things because of faith, or we actually feel these things. Even though you shout whole day in your backyard, “GOD, PLEASE SHOW US YOURSELF! SO I’LL BELIEVE, ELSE, I WILL NOT BELIEVE YOU!” do you think He will follow what you want? I don’t think so. Because God knows every heart of mankind. It is no need for Him to show up for you to believe, because if you deeply ask your conscience, and your conscience never lies, GOD REALLY EXISTS. Do you saw a broken statue of a man with no hands and feet? Now, ask yourself, did that statue that you saw is being made by man? If your answer is “NO, IT JUST POPS OUT THERE…” then you must go to the very nearest mental hospital, you are really out of your mind. But if your answer is “OF COURSE YES, IT IS BEING MADE BY MAN”.. then my second question is, do you see how it is done? or do you saw the maker of that statue? probably NO, but you still believe that it is being made, right? Then, IF THAT BROKEN STATUE OF A MAN WITH NO HANDS AND FEET, IS BEING MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE EVEN THOUGH YOU YOU DON’T SEE THE MAKER, HOW ABOUT MAN THAT IS FAR GREATER AND GLORIOUS THAN THE STATUE? WE JUST POPS OUT IN THIS WORLD? DO YOU GET MY POINT? And that is faith, I hope you pinoy atheist include a logical faith as an evidence. So that in one day, you are in your right track of being a man. Don’t fool yourselves atheist!!!
John the Atheist: Dear Mr. Paras.
Faith cannot be an evidence Mr. Jun Paras nor a part of an evidence. An evidence cannot came from mere assumptions and trusts. For example, in a crime scene, you cannot just say that because you see a knife in the area base on your assumption...that is the murder weapon.
So the best thing to do is to place it and answer them in my blog.
The first letter came from a certain Jun Paras:
@pinoy atheist,
I don’t expect you to have faith as evidence, because like I said, you have no faith (a logical and good faith). But I never said that faith is an evidence, faith is A PART of an evidence that God really exists. What kind of faith? A scientific and logical faith. You have also your faith, but your faith of not believing in God is only a result of your somewhat rebellious comments and questions like “If there is God, why is there evil in this world”, “Bible is not an evidence, it contradicts each other, and full of factual errors”, “I don’t believe in God, because I never see Him”, “Why do other religions kill while they’re confessing that they are of God?”… These questions and comments drives you to conclude that there is no God. But, did your belief regarding God and the bible undergone deep and logical cross-examination? Do you really study the bible? Do you really study God’s will? Or you just conclude it in that way as you feel? For you to say that a thing is lacking something, you must know what is complete, right? So what’s your basis? You don’t believe in life after death, but you have no belief what will happen after death, right? You dont believe in God, but you have no explanation on how we are created, right? (If you belive that we are created)Your faith is very illogical and brings no hope to people. Our difference, I think, is that we, as a Christian, don’t just judge according to what we like to feel, but we study His will. We are not stupid to conclude that there is no God because we can’t see Him. That’s stupidity. Because if I will follow that stupid principle (to see is to believe), then I will not belive that I have a mind, that love exist, or I am born by my mother, etc.. because these things are not visible by our human eye, stupidity huh? But we believe in these things because of faith, or we actually feel these things. Even though you shout whole day in your backyard, “GOD, PLEASE SHOW US YOURSELF! SO I’LL BELIEVE, ELSE, I WILL NOT BELIEVE YOU!” do you think He will follow what you want? I don’t think so. Because God knows every heart of mankind. It is no need for Him to show up for you to believe, because if you deeply ask your conscience, and your conscience never lies, GOD REALLY EXISTS. Do you saw a broken statue of a man with no hands and feet? Now, ask yourself, did that statue that you saw is being made by man? If your answer is “NO, IT JUST POPS OUT THERE…” then you must go to the very nearest mental hospital, you are really out of your mind. But if your answer is “OF COURSE YES, IT IS BEING MADE BY MAN”.. then my second question is, do you see how it is done? or do you saw the maker of that statue? probably NO, but you still believe that it is being made, right? Then, IF THAT BROKEN STATUE OF A MAN WITH NO HANDS AND FEET, IS BEING MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE EVEN THOUGH YOU YOU DON’T SEE THE MAKER, HOW ABOUT MAN THAT IS FAR GREATER AND GLORIOUS THAN THE STATUE? WE JUST POPS OUT IN THIS WORLD? DO YOU GET MY POINT? And that is faith, I hope you pinoy atheist include a logical faith as an evidence. So that in one day, you are in your right track of being a man. Don’t fool yourselves atheist!!!
John the Atheist: Dear Mr. Paras.
Faith cannot be an evidence Mr. Jun Paras nor a part of an evidence. An evidence cannot came from mere assumptions and trusts. For example, in a crime scene, you cannot just say that because you see a knife in the area base on your assumption...that is the murder weapon.
Now let us talk about this faith you are promoting Mr. Paras...Religious faith. You claim that this faith is both logical and..eh good faith?
Base on your opinion...well no, my lost of faith is not a result of rebellion. You see Mr. Paras religious faith is neither logical nor good. You see, when we talk about religious faith, you don't employ logic to it.
Example: Believers say that Jesus walk on water...and that they have faith that Jesus is really capable of doing that. Are they employing logic to this belief? No. All they did was to accept what they have read, hook, line and sinker. They didn't even try analyzing it if the said event is true. If I will use logic to it, I may began to doubt the issues of supernatural miracles. That's why religious faith is not logical.
In the issue of the Bible. Well again if I use eh...deep and logical cross-examination in studying the Bible, I might become skeptical to biblical claims. I might even do the same thing that Thomas Jefferson did in his Bible; Ripped all those pages that deals with supernatural miracles and events. If I will do that then all is left in the Bible are begat, begat, begat.
Logic can never become a part of religious faith and holy scriptures.
Now why ask me about life after death? May I ask you Mr. Paras...have you ever wondered what was life before life? If there's nothing to talk about before I was born then why would I bother on things after I was dead. Doesn't seem to sound logical, does it?
If you will read my post (or if it was already deleted)...I never said that I never believe because of empirical reasons so don't put words in my mouth @ Mr. Paras - That's stupidity in your part. I don't believe in a god because of logical reasons. So I guess you're making a stawman here. Making stawman argument is stupid.
Now let see...hmmmm just like Soriano's argument, yours also fell short of proving that atheism is an unreasonable position. That's what I'm waiting for and that's why I read your posts. Until you haven't given me a good reason, then your "argument" is a little bit ehhhh...poor and shabby.
Oh and that last rant about a statute...hehehe...That's an example of false analogy. Remember that a statute is man-made so I guess your analogy is fallacious if you are trying to compare a man-made object from something natural.
Did we just "pop out from nothing"? Well...If you guys insist that we are made ex nihilo, then technically we came from nothing. But atheistically speaking, how can you be sure that "nothing" is always a default position?
The next letter came from a certain "Genedie"
I’d like to believe that atheist are very intellectual people but come on… I mean, it is a well known fact that man invented computers, right?; super computers, thinking machines… if man can make such complex and intricately assembled machine then how much more of the vast universe is created by a powerful being who has far superior intellect and wisdom compared to man?! Isn’t but logical to think that this vast and more complex( than to a computer) universe and everything in it moves as it should because somebody made it so? Think for a while atheists… how can the stars, the moons , planets, galaxies move in an intricately precise order so as not to collide with each other be a product of an accident but not of a magnificent creation of a Supreme Being? Are atheist too proud to accept that there is someone far superior (in every aspect)than man? Since man had only been here what, a few thousand years, and you guys think you’re the only ones capable of reason , intellect, wisdom and even love? Yes, LOVE. Don’t you guys know that this whole existence, everything was created is based on THAT principle?No? of course, I forgot you don’t believe in God. A pity really, you’d lived and die holding to a very much flawed belief, a belief molded by pride and inanity under the guise of science and logic but in truth vile and hypocrisy. Sana bago pa man mahuli ang lahat, maliwanagan ang isip nyo at makita ang katotohanan.
John the Atheist: To Genedie,
Remember that sometimes common sense is not good sense. Now your example suggest that computers are made...how about us? The problem with this is that computers are man-made objects.
If you will use your head, the computer example is really not a very good example. You see Genedie, a computer is made by finite beings. Base on your analogy, are the gods finite? Also, each parts are made by different beings, so is the human parts made by different gods? So that's what happened with false analogies.
Logically speaking we cannot compare nature from man-made objects so...yes an atheist will never even use your kind of reasoning @ Genedie.
The movement of the stars and the orbits of other heavenly bodies can be explained without resorting to the supernatural. That's what the science of astronomy and physics are for. Remember, facts doesn't require supernatural explanations. There is still the realm of physical sciences @ Genedie. A good examples are the formation of snowflakes and the geometrical pattern of a sunflower. These are natural phenomena and will always form naturally without an aid of gods or demons. What is just happening to you @ Genedie is that you are just assuming design. Nature is really quite chaotic.
So...let see since the rest of Genedie is an assumption of being self-righteous. It really doesn't deserve an explanation. In the issue of LOVE...well for an atheist, love is still possible without the need for a god. Humanity and this grand universe surrounds you to be loved.
Until next time,
John the Atheist
Base on your opinion...well no, my lost of faith is not a result of rebellion. You see Mr. Paras religious faith is neither logical nor good. You see, when we talk about religious faith, you don't employ logic to it.
Example: Believers say that Jesus walk on water...and that they have faith that Jesus is really capable of doing that. Are they employing logic to this belief? No. All they did was to accept what they have read, hook, line and sinker. They didn't even try analyzing it if the said event is true. If I will use logic to it, I may began to doubt the issues of supernatural miracles. That's why religious faith is not logical.
In the issue of the Bible. Well again if I use eh...deep and logical cross-examination in studying the Bible, I might become skeptical to biblical claims. I might even do the same thing that Thomas Jefferson did in his Bible; Ripped all those pages that deals with supernatural miracles and events. If I will do that then all is left in the Bible are begat, begat, begat.
Logic can never become a part of religious faith and holy scriptures.
Now why ask me about life after death? May I ask you Mr. Paras...have you ever wondered what was life before life? If there's nothing to talk about before I was born then why would I bother on things after I was dead. Doesn't seem to sound logical, does it?
If you will read my post (or if it was already deleted)...I never said that I never believe because of empirical reasons so don't put words in my mouth @ Mr. Paras - That's stupidity in your part. I don't believe in a god because of logical reasons. So I guess you're making a stawman here. Making stawman argument is stupid.
Now let see...hmmmm just like Soriano's argument, yours also fell short of proving that atheism is an unreasonable position. That's what I'm waiting for and that's why I read your posts. Until you haven't given me a good reason, then your "argument" is a little bit ehhhh...poor and shabby.
Oh and that last rant about a statute...hehehe...That's an example of false analogy. Remember that a statute is man-made so I guess your analogy is fallacious if you are trying to compare a man-made object from something natural.
Did we just "pop out from nothing"? Well...If you guys insist that we are made ex nihilo, then technically we came from nothing. But atheistically speaking, how can you be sure that "nothing" is always a default position?
The next letter came from a certain "Genedie"
I’d like to believe that atheist are very intellectual people but come on… I mean, it is a well known fact that man invented computers, right?; super computers, thinking machines… if man can make such complex and intricately assembled machine then how much more of the vast universe is created by a powerful being who has far superior intellect and wisdom compared to man?! Isn’t but logical to think that this vast and more complex( than to a computer) universe and everything in it moves as it should because somebody made it so? Think for a while atheists… how can the stars, the moons , planets, galaxies move in an intricately precise order so as not to collide with each other be a product of an accident but not of a magnificent creation of a Supreme Being? Are atheist too proud to accept that there is someone far superior (in every aspect)than man? Since man had only been here what, a few thousand years, and you guys think you’re the only ones capable of reason , intellect, wisdom and even love? Yes, LOVE. Don’t you guys know that this whole existence, everything was created is based on THAT principle?No? of course, I forgot you don’t believe in God. A pity really, you’d lived and die holding to a very much flawed belief, a belief molded by pride and inanity under the guise of science and logic but in truth vile and hypocrisy. Sana bago pa man mahuli ang lahat, maliwanagan ang isip nyo at makita ang katotohanan.
John the Atheist: To Genedie,
Remember that sometimes common sense is not good sense. Now your example suggest that computers are made...how about us? The problem with this is that computers are man-made objects.
If you will use your head, the computer example is really not a very good example. You see Genedie, a computer is made by finite beings. Base on your analogy, are the gods finite? Also, each parts are made by different beings, so is the human parts made by different gods? So that's what happened with false analogies.
Logically speaking we cannot compare nature from man-made objects so...yes an atheist will never even use your kind of reasoning @ Genedie.
The movement of the stars and the orbits of other heavenly bodies can be explained without resorting to the supernatural. That's what the science of astronomy and physics are for. Remember, facts doesn't require supernatural explanations. There is still the realm of physical sciences @ Genedie. A good examples are the formation of snowflakes and the geometrical pattern of a sunflower. These are natural phenomena and will always form naturally without an aid of gods or demons. What is just happening to you @ Genedie is that you are just assuming design. Nature is really quite chaotic.
So...let see since the rest of Genedie is an assumption of being self-righteous. It really doesn't deserve an explanation. In the issue of LOVE...well for an atheist, love is still possible without the need for a god. Humanity and this grand universe surrounds you to be loved.
Until next time,
John the Atheist
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